Post by viktor86 on Nov 10, 2016 4:12:59 GMT
Btw, how idiotic people can get. On FB, my aunt/mother's sister, changed her profile pic into a black square as a sign of mourning after these elections. And don't you dare to be critical. She even fights with her own sisters, if they reveal her two-faced side (she pretends to be a saint) or when she's overreacting like she's a 15 y.o. teen
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The Donald Nov 10, 2016 13:35:12 GMT
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Post by HarVee on Nov 10, 2016 13:35:12 GMT
Lol It was in the platform at the Republican convention - "The border wall must cover the entirety of the southern border and must be sufficient to stop both vehicular and pedestrian traffic" I think a lot of his followers will be expecting to see a wall going up right soon.And Hillary Clinton in prison. And millions of 'illegals' deported. And all the other garbage he promised them. Not that I care if they are disappointed. Then let them be? I never had any expectations of this. Doesn't concern me. You're leaving out some of the HClinton quote - she said some of the Trump followers were deplorable - homophobes, racists, etc. And the others were people who wanted change. That part always gets left out. Put yourself in the deplorable category if you want - I didn't put you there. And you're side has won, so I guess you're the majority. Good luck with that. Let me make this clear for you. I support Trump for his ostentatious attitude and what he inspires. I do not care about his business. I do not care about his treatment of women, his racist comments, his whatever else anymore. I do not support most of his policies. I do not support his views on climate change. He is different than what we've had. He has challenged what we know, or thought we know. He has challenged our pop/common culture, our media and our political establishment. He has single-highhandedly displayed many of the core problems with this countries political structure and pop/common culture, and this is what America country needs. A leader that can challenge us so that someday we can realize the mistakes we made and continue to make, so that someday this country really will be "great". Maybe not during his presidency, but someday his attitude and way of challenging everyone will pave the way for a better future, and this I do support. This challenge is something Bill Clinton Inc would not have been able to do. America country would have just been more of the same. We would have never been fully aware of what needed to be changed and how to improve. Now everyone's eyes are open. Everyone in the US is already equal. Okay. Let me ask you this - If everyone is equal, then why do people constantly keep demanding transgendered bathrooms. LGBTQ rights, black rights, etc? How can everyone be equal, but seemingly not equal? But that doesn't mean they have to like it. That doesn't mean that someone has to remain silent while someone makes hateful remarks about them or else they're violating the hateful person's right to Freedom of Speech ffs. Speech freedom is a double bladed sword. Cuts both attacker and attackee.
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The Donald Nov 10, 2016 15:01:53 GMT
- Edited Nov 11, 2016 6:52:37 GMT by rc
Post by rc on Nov 10, 2016 15:01:53 GMT
Everyone in the US is already equal. Okay. Let me ask you this - If everyone is equal, then why do people constantly keep demanding transgendered bathrooms. LGBTQ rights, black rights, etc? How can everyone be equal, but seemingly not equal? But that doesn't mean they have to like it. That doesn't mean that someone has to remain silent while someone makes hateful remarks about them or else they're violating the hateful person's right to Freedom of Speech ffs. Speech freedom is a double bladed sword. Cuts both attacker and attackee. I was responding to what you wrote but later edited - "And that's what liberals know best. Getting everyone "equal" to point where freedom of speech is no longer free. Because you can't express such right because you might offend some transgender or gay or "black" person."As you probably already know, as human societies go forward, our ideas about what is right and true can change. At the time of the Declaration of Independence, society was different from today. When TJefferson said '...all men are created equal.', he meant white men. African Americans were 3/5ths of a white person man and I'm not even sure what women as a whole were - maybe 0% of a human being, more like the pets of today - since they have never been guaranteed rights by an amendment to the Constitution. Over the years, people have had to come forward and demand the same rights that white men were guaranteed. The various disenfranchised groups weren't just handed their rights because our country has, and always will have, a contingent of hateful, fearful people who don't want to change the status quo whatever it may be and will fight ferociously to defend their 'way of life' or their 'family values'.
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The Donald Nov 10, 2016 15:03:13 GMT
- Edited Nov 10, 2016 15:04:12 GMT by rc
Post by rc on Nov 10, 2016 15:03:13 GMT
I would be content to sit back and watch Trump fuck up but unfortunately this election has unleashed the Do-Nothing Congress and now they're going to be doing all the stuff they've been waiting to do. Combined with some things that Trump himself plans to do, things are going to get very ugly. But that's exactly what the Trump Trolls wanted. I realize not every person who voted for DTrump did so in a spirit of hate - I have sympathy and concern only for the ones who sincerely believe this idiot can make their lives better.
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The Donald Nov 11, 2016 2:10:21 GMT
- Edited Nov 11, 2016 2:10:49 GMT by HarVee: fix quote
Post by HarVee on Nov 11, 2016 2:10:21 GMT
I was responding to what you wrote but later edited - I edited it because it was unnecessarily hostile. It was also irrelevant to point I was trying to make at that time, and was really essentially just me projecting my own anger onto you to be blunt. As you probably already know... Yes I quite aware how biased founding of America country was. I only posted that because your comment seems contradictory. You were saying people are equal, yet at same time trying to prove they are not. I realize not every person who voted for DTrump did so in a spirit of hate - I have sympathy and concern only for the ones who sincerely believe this idiot can make their lives better. D'awww this mean you have sympathy for this erratic Jackal then?
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Post by rc on Nov 11, 2016 2:31:57 GMT
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The Donald Nov 13, 2016 15:25:35 GMT
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Post by rc on Nov 13, 2016 15:25:35 GMT
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Post by rc on Nov 13, 2016 23:47:31 GMT
I just got an email from National Popular Vote - I'd forgotten I was on their email list. Here is a link to tell your state legislator (anyone on here who is a US citizen that is) to pass National Popular Vote. It won't get rid of the electoral college, but it will get rid of winner-take-all and the electoral votes would awarded proportionately.
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Post by viktor86 on Nov 14, 2016 0:44:16 GMT
At one small step in the right direction.
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The Donald Nov 14, 2016 16:04:09 GMT
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Post by HarVee on Nov 14, 2016 16:04:09 GMT
Doesn't that just undermine the entire democracy? I find it funny Hilary said in debate that Trump was "talking-down (read: undermining) our democracy" and yet here her supporters are trying to help her accomplish such task. Why it is so difficult for people to just accept that Hilary conceded and Trump won? And most importantly, why you people focus on the negative of this instead of trying to find the positive(s) in this situation? No wonder people are rioting in streets instead do something more productive with their time when they become fearful of what they can lose instead of embracing what they could potentially gain because they're mind so focused on the negative(s). Bad hombres indeed.
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Post by viktor86 on Nov 14, 2016 16:45:34 GMT
Why is het so difficult to see that it's undemocratic that one vote is more worthy than another in the same election for the same job? No other democracy where two times within two decades, the most ppular candidates loses, because of the system.
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Post by rc on Nov 15, 2016 0:26:32 GMT
Speaking of undermining democracy, the US has always had a peaceful transfer of power from one President to the next. I guess Trump is the first one ever who stated before the election that his victory was the only outcome that he would accept - that if he lost, the election was rigged.
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Post by HarVee on Nov 15, 2016 0:41:01 GMT
Why is het so difficult to see that it's undemocratic that one vote is more worthy than another in the same election for the same job? No other democracy where two times within two decades, the most ppular candidates loses, because of the system. America country democracy different than European democracy. America system been flawed since its inception. Difference is 20-30 years ago this country had common values that most every person shared. Since the age of popularity of Internet and globalism and liberal ideologies of last 18 or so years, people been gradually exposed to different concepts and this has caused mass division among country population causing flaws of the system to be more eminent.
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Post by viktor86 on Nov 15, 2016 1:14:02 GMT
This has nothing to do with American or European democracy, but with democracy at all. Democracy has some basic things and the American ''democracy'' doesn't have them, the same flaws already existed for centuries. I absolutely don't see the link with the flaws in the American political system and the last decades, because the issues already existed.
For your information, ''European democracy'' doesn't exist. There is not even a common system for the European Parliament. We have a proportional system. The UK districts system with the same idiotic winner takes it all system (per district) like their former colony, getting one seat with millions of votes in total (UKIP) and a few dozen as regional parties from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, with no votes outside their area's. Germany has some strange mix of both systems and Belgian a proportional regional system: for the federal parliament the Flemish people can only vote for Flemish parties, the French people only for French parties, the people from Brussels can vote for both and the Germans probably for their own. That country has 6 governments in total.
Besides, democracy is an European invention....
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The Donald Nov 15, 2016 4:25:57 GMT
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Post by rc on Nov 15, 2016 4:25:57 GMT
Awarding the electoral votes proportionately is a lot more democratic than winner-take-all. That way everybody's vote has the possibility of counting instead of being erased if, for example, you vote for the Republican in a state where the Democrat wins. And it would make it harder to steal an election like in 2000. Great tweets from an Iranian-American about how dictatorship happens - link
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